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NE prior to citizenship ?

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NE prior to citizenship ?
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5/27/06 8:58 PM
Is it complementary to have NE (or 60 Rante) first before one could apply for citizenship after 7-8 years?
As I could understand... no. One only needs legal stay and a job at the time of applying.
Please guide.
Thanks is advance
kirm
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Re: NE prior to citizenship ?
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5/30/06 1:10 PM as a reply to kiran r.
@kirn26

Today I had a discussion with the lady from Einbürgerung. I was seeking information regarding 7-years-rule. She informed me that the 7-years-rule would be changed this summer and the duration is to be reduced to 6 years.
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Re: NE prior to citizenship ?
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5/30/06 1:36 PM as a reply to kiran r.
@Ashkay

again with the all integration courses and stuff, right?

D.
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Re: NE prior to citizenship ?
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5/30/06 1:41 PM as a reply to kiran r.
@NoBody

Let's put it this way, you can earn 730 days by investing 630 hours :-)
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Re: NE prior to citizenship ?
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5/30/06 1:44 PM as a reply to kiran r.
Yeah but if you check the integration courses programs (I've checked some of them), they are insuitable for people who work because it's either a full morning or a full afternoon, reason why I don't think I'll get into that.

D.
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Re: NE prior to citizenship ?
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5/30/06 1:49 PM as a reply to kiran r.
Not true. If you have passed "Zertifikat Deutsch-B1", then you need only 30 hours of orientation course.
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5/30/06 1:55 PM as a reply to kiran r.
Yep.. and "Zertifikat Deutsch" should be for someone who is in Germany for 6 years in a high qualified job, a piece of cake. I passed it in the first 6 months after my arrival to Germany and one has always the option to study for ZD on his own and just join the 2-3 hours exam. Orientation courses are also organized at the evenings and therefore to take 30 hours together with a full-time job should be also no problem. At the end ZD + 30 hours orientation course = Integration Course which means naturalization after 7 years. (maybe after 6 years soon..)

Regards,

Lacrima
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Re: NE prior to citizenship ?
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5/30/06 2:00 PM as a reply to kiran r.
@Akshay,

BTW, this "Summer" seem to Bypass :-)

With this 6 or 7 year period, one require "600 Hours of Sprach (reicht,wenn man Grund Stufe I - VI gemacht hat) and 30 Hours of Orientationkurs.

The "Zertifikat für Deutsch als Fremdsprach" is used to avoid any further checking/test (like Zeitung lesen usw.)

It would be helpful, if you could pass some link in the "Law", if and when available(this summer), because, not every one is aware with such information at those Amts.

A.T
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Re: NE prior to citizenship ?
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5/30/06 2:03 PM as a reply to kiran r.
@lacrima

And in what exactly consists this "ZD" B1 exam? the Leseverstehen and Mündlichen Prüfung they do for getting citizenship?

As you already passed it, you can share more light on it.

D.
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5/30/06 2:16 PM as a reply to kiran r.
@A.T.

Well, the summer has not even started and the law is not yet passed, just a compromise is reached.

http://www.taz.de/pt/2006/05/06/a0185.1/text
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Re: NE prior to citizenship ?
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5/30/06 2:17 PM as a reply to kiran r.
Quite strange, but I will have to check with a lawyer for that but from what I just read, the level of the ZD B1 is as follow "Die Sprachkenntnisse sind ausreichend, wenn sich die Antragstellerin/der Antragsteller im Alltagsleben sprachlich ausdrücken kann und in der Lage ist, ein ihrem/seinem Alter und Bildungsstand angemessenes Gespräch zu führen sowie einen Text deutschsprachiger Medien zu lesen und zu verstehen (Sprachkompetenz Grundstufe 3 (B1)/Mittelstufe 1 (B2/1)" and all that is a piece of cake, for sure, but passing this with the 30 hours stuff will then suffice?

Will come back with a lawyer word on that after.

D.
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Re: NE prior to citizenship ?
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5/30/06 2:19 PM as a reply to kiran r.
@Nobody

Here you can read more about the ZD exam :
http://www.goethe.de/dll/prf/pba/zdt/deindex.htm

(Check the links "Voraussetzungen, Prüfungsbestandteile" on the left hand side as well)

You can even see a list of institutes where you can take this exam :

http://www.goethe.de/dll/prf/deu/deindex.htm

If you have any other specific question, I am happy to answer..

Regards,

Lacrima
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Re: NE prior to citizenship ?
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5/30/06 2:31 PM as a reply to kiran r.
Well a lawyer is not the best solution always. Some of them really dont have any idea about the new changes in Ausländergesetz. You need a real specialist who follows the law changes on a daily basis.

Here is a letter I sent and an answer I received concerning this issue. (To BAMF, a year ago when this integration course first came into play)

My letter to BAMF
---------------------------------------
Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren,
Ich hätte eine Frage an Sie in Bezug auf den
Integrationskurs und 1 Jahre Verkürzung für die
Anspruchseinbürgerung.
Bitte erlauben Sie mir, meine Situation Ihnen kurz
vorzustellen.

Ich bin rechtmäßig seit 3 Jahren in Deutschland und
besitze zur Zeit eine Aufenthalsterlaubnis, die durch
IT-ARGV gegeben worden ist. Ich bin türkischer
Staatsbürger und habe bereits erfolgreich eine
Mittelstufeprüfung bei VHS abgelegt.

Meine Frage lautet:
Ich will mich nach 7 Jahren (statt 8 Jahren)
einbürgern lassen. Das neue Zuwanderungsgesetz gibt so
eine Möglichkeit, nur wenn man eine Bescheinigung der
Integrationskursteilnahme vorlegen kann. In meinem
Fall, bin ich weder verpflichtet noch habe ich
Anspruch für so einen Kurs.(Ich bin vor 1.1.2005
eingereist. Ich übe einen hoch-qualifizierten
Job(Informatiker) aus und besitze bereits eine bessere
Sprachbescheinigung als "Zertifikat Deutsch", die nach
dem Teilnahme am Integrationskurs gegeben wird.)
Reicht mein "Mittelstufeprüfung Zeugnis von Geothe
Institut" für die Verkürzung auf 7 Jahre im Falle der
Einbürgerung ? Falls nicht, was soll ich tun von dem 7
Jahre Vorteil Gebrauch machen zu können ?

Ich bedanke mich im Voraus für Ihre Antwort

Mit freundlichen Grüssen

XXXX XXXX
---------------------------------------


The answer I recieved
---------------------------------------
Sehr geehrter Herr XXXX,

Ihre Anfrage beantworte ich wie folgt:


Aus Ihrer Mail ersehe ich,dass Sie nach Ihren Angaben bereits über
ausreichende Kenntnisse der deutschen Sprache verfügen und die
Teilnahmebescheinigung lediglich für die Verkürzung der
Einbürgerungsfrist
benötigen.

Neben den im Aufenthaltsgesetz (AufenthG) getroffenen Festlegungen kann
auch
die Integrationskursverordnung (IntV)herangezogen werden.

In Ihrem geschilderten Fall ist der § 44 Abs. 4 AufenthG in Verbindung
mit
§ 5 Abs. 3 IntV zutreffend.

Sie wären bei der Zulassung durch das Bundesamt für Migration und
Flüchtlinge,hier durch die für Ihren Wohnort regional zuständige
Außenstelle
des Bundesamtes, zur Teilnahme an einem Integrationskurs und im Falle
ausreichender Sprachkenntnisse reduziert auf den 30-stündigen
Orientierungskurs und den Abschlusstest, im Rahmen verfügbarer
Kursplätze
vorrangig zu berücksichtigen.

Nach § 17 Abs. 3 IntV können in so gelagerten Fällen auch die Kosten
für die
Teilnahme
am Abschlusstest übernommen werden. Hier spielen, wie bei der
Zulassungsentscheidung
selbst (§ 5 Abs. 3) - verschiedene Kriterien eine Rolle: z.B. die
finanzielle Bedürf-
tigkeit des Antragstellers.

Bitte setzen Sie sich für alles Weitere mit dem zuständigen
Ansprechpartner
unserer Außenstelle in Verbindung. Sie finden auf unserer Homepage
www.bamf.de unter dem Menü "Integration" und weiter "Integrationskurs"
bei
7. Ansprechpartner und dann 3. Ansprechpartner der Regionalstellen den
für
Sie zuständigen Ansprechpartner!

Die Verkürzung der 8-Jahresfrist um 1 Jahr schreibt zwingend den
erfolgreichen Integrationskurs vor, wie jedoch oben beschrieben, in
Ihrem
Fall reduziert auf den Orientierungskurs und die Prüfung!

Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Im Auftrag

XXXXX XXXXX
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Re: NE prior to citizenship ?
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5/30/06 3:14 PM as a reply to kiran r.
Dear All,

I have a NE.

Now to make my life easier (travelling e.t.c.)and for other reasons I wanted to have the German CItizenship.

The only reason i didn't want was because of my rente (which i would get back if I return back to my home country).

My plans are to return back to my home country ultimately (after 10years or so).

Now two questions:

1) Can I give back my German citizenship after 10-12 years?
2) If yes then can i claim my rente contribution like now.

Please advice

Havehope.
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Re: NE prior to citizenship ?
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5/30/06 4:12 PM as a reply to kiran r.
@havehope

I hope the sanity would prevail one day. What you are asking is divorce-re.marry-re.divorce-re.re.marry :-)
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Re: NE prior to citizenship ?
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5/30/06 6:39 PM as a reply to kiran r.
@ Akshay,

Sanity is prevailing !

Yes that is what I am asking but technically.

I am not divorcing my motherland in the first place.

Instead of concentrating on my relationship scenarios,I would request you to advice me on the real matter.

Is there a way I can get back my renre contribution back after once geeting the german citizen ship.



Thanks

Havehope
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Re: NE prior to citizenship ?
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5/30/06 6:43 PM as a reply to kiran r.
@havehope

It depends on your home country's laws and regulations. German citizenship will vanish automatically, when you get another citizenship. So dont worry about not being able to get rid of German citizenship ;) It is more a question of your home country, whether they will accept you back to citizenship..

Regards,

Lacrima
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Re: NE prior to citizenship ?
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5/30/06 7:07 PM as a reply to kiran r.
@lacrima

And what about my rente contribution.will I gat i back once i gave away the german citizenship.
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Re: NE prior to citizenship ?
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5/30/06 8:11 PM as a reply to kiran r.
Some of them really dont have any idea about the new changes in Ausländergesetz. You need a real specialist who follows the law changes on a daily basis.

they don't care because it's not worth it to follow the law changes on a daily basis. Aside from Asylrecht, the aren't many people willing to pay their money for the lawyer
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Re: NE prior to citizenship ?
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5/30/06 11:27 PM as a reply to kiran r.
In law it is written about 60 Rente ….either man must have to pay or pays voluntarily.
A person who would be doing PhD with a texfree scholarship grant. If he voluntary pay the Rente from his text free PhD grant.

1...Would this period be counted for Citizenship ?

2...Would this period be counted for market check after 36 Rante ?

3....If yes… should there be a min limit of this grant money ?

Regards
Kirn
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Rente contribution back
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6/1/06 8:01 PM as a reply to kiran r.
Please any advices on my question?????

I have a NE.

Now to make my life easier (travelling e.t.c.)and for other reasons I wanted to have the German CItizenship.

The only reason i didn't want was because of my rente (which i would get back if I return back to my home country).

My plans are to return back to my home country ultimately (after 10years or so).

Now two questions:

1) Can I give back my German citizenship after 10-12 years?
2) <If yes; then can i claim my rente contribution like now.>

Please advice

Havehope.
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Re: NE prior to citizenship ?
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6/2/06 11:54 AM as a reply to kiran r.
@havehope:

If you got CS, then answer to your Question lies in your login-name : "HAVEHOPE" :-)

What do you think, with this NE and CS offer?
Ofcourse, Govt. need us to pay Taxes and Rente.

The only possibility is that once you get CS, stick to it, till you get elder 65 Y to apply.

Or, you try NE/CS of Canada(only 3 years).


A.T
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Re: NE prior to citizenship ?
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11/14/06 12:35 PM as a reply to kiran r.
@A.T.

BTW, this "Summer" seem to Bypass...

Yes, indeed....and soon is the law :-)
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Re: NE prior to citizenship ?
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11/16/06 2:50 AM as a reply to kiran r.
Any news guys regarding the 6 year law.... ?
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