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RE: German citizenship Einbürgurung: Important open issues

RE: German citizenship Einbürgurung: Important open issues
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29/07/15 14:51 en respuesta a Tauseef.
tauseef:
coolguyinwuppertal:


Normally they dont ask for house contract.... just give it a try, One of my friend did it successfully by having anmeldilung in RLP...

These are just some vague assumptions.

Just check the documents need for Einbürgerung. First and formost requirement is to have enough living space for you and your family and to prove it you need to provide an house rental contract or a sale deed.

If some friend did it in RLP, doent mean that it also works for you. What happens if you shift to RLP and the officer there also shows the same rule. If you do a neben anmeldung in Bayern then you are subjected to "Zweite Wohnungssteuer" and should show a strong reason to the officer at the Einbürgerungsbehörde in RLP, why you a Haptanmeldung in RLP with a job and family in Bayern.


In general, people and the universities/research institutes misuse the student visa for PhD i.e rule 16 instead of 18 mainly for the following reasons
  • No need to pay rentenversicherung on rule 16
  • Cheap health insurance for the entire family
  • Importantly cheap public transport for the eintre semester.
So in Bayern there are no free lunches. If some one has enjoyed the benefits of rule 16, he has to bear the consequence of the student time not counted for Enbürgerung.



Dear Coolguy,
My PhD was on stipend, para 16, no rente no tax nothing, enjoyed all facilities like transport, housing, health insurance etc etc, was that illlegal, no way. After 2years of posdoc, total 6years of living in germany, no Permanant residence, applied for citizenship and they accepted it even without B1 language, was that illelega. Bayern has totally different rules compared to all other German states, so If you want to be pissed enjoying living in Bayern after having long student period.........come on man, try to give some solution to some one, if have no solution dont misguide them.....

I am not misguiding anybody. What I am saying is stay away from vague advices
"one of my friend got in RLP"
"they generally don't ask for house contract"
let the OP say the same thing to the case officer and see the officers reaction.


It's better the OP consult a specialized lawyer regarding the student time counted towards Einbürgerung.

There are many forums in German language where the immigration lawyers have themselves accepted that it is different for every State and in Bayern the student time is not counted. punkt!!!

@OP:
Everybody has right to free movement. At the same time the case officer has also right to verify whether you are using any loophole to milk the system and can ask the reason for applying in that particualt city without any bonds to that place.

Just read the case history why the tax  "Zweite Wohnungssteuer" was introduced in Germany. As everyone (mostly Germans) started misusing the "Haupt anmeldung" and "neben anmeldung" this tax as introduced.
If you register in Bayern as "Neben anmeldung" be prepared to shell out 10% of your kaltmiete as a tax.

If you have paid the Rente during your PhD, why didn't you change your visa to Para 18? Were you not informed about this earlier.

I am not criticizing  anybody here. Just giving the facts that don't go by some vague suggestions "one of my friend got", "generally they don't ask house/job contract"
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RE: German citizenship Einbürgurung: Important open issues
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29/07/15 15:30 en respuesta a coolguy munich.
Is personal experience and friends experience is a vague suggestions??
No one can ask why you are moving here, I have right to live any where in Germany.....
My job is in BW but I live in RLP, one other friend is living in BW but work in Hessen, no one has ever asked why you are not living in city of your work. Now you will say its vague suggestion.
He is not going to milk the system, his kid has right to get German pass in Whole Germany except Bayern, so why he should not claim his right?? Every body can decide whats benificial for them and einburgürng behordae is much friendly than Auslander one.
I am 99.99% sure his case will be approved with out any difficulty. If tax is introduced for nebenanmeldung he can abort that idea, even if he adopt, it would be less than lawyer fee.
Conclusion; I dont share vague info, its totally lawful.
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RE: German citizenship Einbürgurung: Important open issues
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30/07/15 11:37 en respuesta a coolguy munich.
I don't mind shelling out kaltmiete tax.

When I started my PhD integration was the last thing in my mind and obviously I don't ave any guidance in this matter. To be frank I never cared about NE and citizenship earlier. But when you have a kid it changes everything. Eve now, my main priority is to get it for him. I will give a shot at tauseef's idea.

Any suggestions in this matter are welcome. There is no point in arguing what I could have done right in the past. I am already having trouble to find a friend for nachmiete. Everybody is backing up in the time of crisis.
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