Hello,

I am going to finish my 8 years (3 years as student with Aufenthaltsbewilligung + 5 years with Aufenthaltserlaubnis) in Germany in October this year. Therefore, I'll get eligible for NE and citizenship at the same time.

I went to Einbürgerungamt and they aksed me to submit the application for citizenship along with the documents like Date of birth Certificate, Marriage certificate, Versicherungsverlauf etc.

I have following questions:

1. I was born in India and I don’t have my date of birth certificate. Instead I have one affidavit, which is a stamped letter from court and attested by a notary (isseued this year) on my father’s behalf about my date of birth. Will it be enough for the citizenship application?

2. The date of birth and marriage certificates are in English. Where can I get them translated into German? Do I need to get them later verified also? If yes, then from where? Or Einbürgerungamt will send these anyway to the embassy in India to get these verified/checked?

3. As there is no dual-citizenship agreement between Germany and India, so when will I have to give up my Indian citizenship and what's the procedure?

I would really appreciate your comments and help in this matter.

Thank you very much!

Hi,
Could anyone of you please throw a light on the above question regarding Birth Certificate. As most of us use the 10th class mark-sheet as a proof of Birth info. Does it work?
else whats the best way to get it done in India?
Thanks.

Hi,

Yes, i can throw light on the question regarding Birth Certificate as you need it.

- Germany will not accept anything other than the Original Birth Cetrificate.
- You'll need to get Non-Availability of Birth Certificate from Local Office (from something called Municipal Office)
- You need to go to court and declare that your Birth was never registered and need one.
- They'll call you when they get sometime (You know court system in that country and the speed in which they work)
- Then you'll have to remove your shoes before getting into court with folded hand and answer the questions which they ask and pay the money.
- Then it'll go to the another office called Tahsildar (if i remember correct)
- There you'll have to wait since the clark have nothing to do and ask you to wait for two weeks.
- You keep some money under the table then the issue is solved in one hour and got your "Original Birth Certificate"!!!
- And that is the only certificate is accepted by German Authorities (I guess form 13)
- No 10th Class Marks Sheet Accepted.
- No Affidevit is accepted.
- To get that Original Birth Certificate You don'nt need to be present as in that country there are no document is tagged to any person. So someone of your family can do (Not legal but works)

So i think i threw enough light on this issue.

Good Luck!

PS : I got my citizenship already long time ago, soon after my passport arrived, within three months i left Germany.

Hello Perfekt,

Could you please drop me an email at mailsuji@excite.com

I have few questions related to citizenship.

regards,

@mailsuji,
Please discuss your Qs here in the forum. I am sure this way most of the ppl will benefit.
If its a repeat of something, then the generous ppl of this forum will show you the right links.
And it will still help others like me & you.

What are all the documents required while filing for DE Pass.
There are a few mentioned on the form, but it would be nice to know what all are in actual required ( a comprehensive list is what I am looking for in the answers)
Thx.

It seems like a long complicated process to get a birth certificate

Recently I went to Einbürgerungamt to ask about it and i was told that one can get the birth certificate from the country's consulate/embassy in Germany. I'm not sure about it and will check with Indian embassy in Germany.

Any body else having experience about it?

@Vicky

Send your friend to Municipal Office in your town to get you a birth certificate. It would cost you around Rs.1000 (over and under the table).

Here is a sample birth certificate.
http://www.immihelp.com/nri/images/sample-birth-certificate-english.jpg

@Akshay

Thanks for the tip & for sample certificate.

Do you know where can these documents be officialy translated in Germany? I'm wondering if it will be much cheaper to do it in India e.g. from Goethe Institute.

@Vicky

Sorry yaar, there is no cheaper option, you need a govt. certified translator. That would be another 200 Euro. Who says life is fair? :-)

Ahh these Amts..

Couple of months ago when I went to Einbürgerungamt, I was not asked to appear for any German exam/integration course. It was also not there in the list of required documents, the one I got with the application form. I had the impression that they take their own exam (verbal one) like you need to read & understand a article from the newspaper or so & they'll ask questions etc, which is easier than other written exams like Zertificat Deutsch.

But yesterday when I went there, I met another lady and she told me that first I have to pass B1 exam (I guess Zetifikat Deutsch) before applying for citizenship. She also included it in the list of required documents. And when I told her that I'm going to finish my 8 years this month, she said that still I have to give the exam because the "Law has changed".

Is it like this? Any idea?

Although I have taken some courses in VHS and also Orientierungskurs but ZD exam can be a pain and will delay my application.

@Vicky

Yes, the law has changed since 28. August 2007 :-)

http://www.einbuergerung.de/index2.htm

Zertifikat Deutsch B1 is *VERY* easy for people who just stayed in Germany like 5 years and only open their post boxes and read/understand the standard letters from here and there.

It is hard to comprehend when I see such comments. You want to be a citizen but you do not want to speak/understand the language even at B1 level. Is it possible to be American or UK citizen with broken English? No wonder locals are manipulating foreigners since foreigners are not able to speak/write German.

Thanks Akshay.

@ pwehrli

It's good to know that ZD exam is easy . I totally agree with you that one should know enough German before applying for German citizenship but my main concern was that it would delay the whole procedure. It seems that VHS in my city offers the exams only 2 times in a year & next one is in February. I still need to find if it's also offered by other institutes here like Goethe. Moreover, as I understood from another posting that it can take upto 2 months to get the certificate after the exam. This all would mean that I have to wait for 7 months before I can apply for citizenship & then other 5-6 months.

I have found some additional info about obtaining birth certificate & would like to share

http://tinyurl.com/2fwagm

http://tinyurl.com/2f6pwh

http://tinyurl.com/yppcu4

@Vicky

I don't understand, what's the f****** rush? Just start the process now and see how it goes.

Hi,
One of the required documents is eigenhändig geschriebener Lebenslauf.
Has someone got any idea/experience if its a must and if so , what all to write in there. Any sample !

Thanks.

Hi Serene,

You always comp up with new question. Could you please summarize your doubts in all, so that someone (or many) can provide information properly. I donot think it makes any sense for anyone to answer everytime new creative question like this. Hope you understand what i mean and no offence.

Regards,
Perfekt!

I didnt get time to read the whole thread but about birth certificate hm .this had also put pain in my ass.As i also didnt had that and they didnt accepted my 10th class certificate(earlier they did but later they made objections) and it was more pain in ass when these government people in india are knowing that u need it so hard and they took a good amout of money for that but at the end it was all finished in 5 days.

eigenhändig geschriebener Lebenslauf.
i think he means CV in german written with ur own hands:-)

@perfekt,
I didn't understand, what did you find so difficult in my question?
The thread is about 'German Citizenship: Required documents' and I asked about one of the required documents, which is concerning writing CV with own hands. What was so difficult in it to understand? (no offense meant to your reply)
All I wanted to know is:
Should it be like a Resume'/CV like we write for job interview or should it be a very small intro about yourself.Handwritten or can also be typed on computer? I have never written a CV in German. Any sample resume from actual life for such a situation (DE Pass application) was the second request from me.
And secondly, I don't have a list of already existing doubts. I have to ask my friends out here for help, as and when I get some doubts. I hope I made myself clear and no one is offended.

Thanks.