@klenz:
"In general, developing countries have more flexible work conditions. The regulations done basically by state. In that respect Lacrima might have said it. In that respect we the Turkish citizens are also "abused", roughly generalized."
What does 'flexible work conditions' have to do with 'abusement of citizens' ? I missed Your whole point.
In my point of view, being flexible is the need of the hour. I dont want to say anything about Turkey, but 'flexible work conditions' in India definitely does not translate to 'abusement of citizens'.
@Lacrima:
"just want to also clarify some small details..
Let's not talk about the fairy-tales of great India where we hear here enough of it."
Upto You if You want to term 'facts' as fairy tales
"If my country had a billion people, it would also have a lot of engineers and clever people from that population.. populations always have a Gaussian distribution regarding the personal skills of all kind.. (meaning that 1% of 60 million makes 600.000 and %1 of 1 billion makes 10.000.000 so no suprise that India has many clever people out there because their whole population is also huge.. so there is no magic about it.. nor any greatness of India)"
I think You are taking this very seriously. Nobody is saying that Turkey is not great so You do not need to defend.
"Going back to the fact of abusement in 3rd World( including also my home country, if that makes you feel better..)"
Has nothing to do with me feeling better. You are just stating facts here, which we all welcome.
"If a human being is working 18-20 hours a day for a payment which he can hardly use for survival.. without the gurantee of any proper health-care access and security.. and if these working conditions are accepted and supported by a government officially.. sorry but that government/country is helping the capital to abuse his citizens, if not he is directly doing the abusement.. so that is a fact.."
I assume Your above comment is about Turkish government. Because there is no OFFICIAL support for such things in India.
"Do you think it is a profitable way of competition , just offering a cheap labour to the capital?"
Definitely it is profitable, atleast for the 3rd world countries where employment is increasing ;)
You are loooking at this in the wrong way. Look at this example: A candy produced in Germany costs 30 cents (due to high wages, high social costs etc.) and the same candy produced in Turkey costs 10 cents (thanks to the cheap hourly labor rate, low social costs etc.). So the candy company prefers to have the production done in Turkey and not Germany. This has nothing to do with the fact that Turkish government is allowing abusement of its citizens or squeezing them till the last drop of blood or any of the that sorts.
I understand that the candy labor in Germany is loosing job because of this but then this concept is not new and has been practiced since ages and even within Germany. With the reunification of Germany, lots of un-skilled jobs moved to East Germany (thanks to the low wages there) but that has nothing to do with German government abusing its citizens in East.
Same is with EU. Electrolux just announced that it will close its AEG plant in Germany and move it to Poland. Now You might say that Polish government is abusing its citizens but You know very well that it is not correct and is instead due to economics of scale.
"Who do you think getting the biggest part of profit cake ? the workers offering the cheap labour ?"
The workers are getting a living out of it, if not 99.99% of company's profit.
"Real added value goes to the capital of the first world.. I would never be proud of my country's cheap labour.. I would just pity for those people and be angry to the people who let them work in those conditions.. I would only be proud of my country's innovativeness and the great conditions of work that it is offering to his citizens.."
We are not discussing pride in any country but we are discussing economic facts. But its upto You to feel whatever You like to about Your own country, proud or pity.
It definitely has a positive effect on developing countries where the employment rate is increasing due to this micro-macro economics. For West, the cost of 3rd world service/goods is cheaper as compared to their own country but in those 3rd world countries the so called cheaper wages are enough to put food on someone's plate.
So look at it from a broader prespective and come out of the narrow thinking that low wage labor translates into abusement.
On the lighter side: Just read that the Turkish football team and the Turkish security guards bashed up the Swiss football team after having lost the football match to them. Definitely a good way of fighting competition ;)