- Must speak German.

http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,2144,1994157,00.html

Günther Beckstein, interior minister of Bavaria and chairman of the conference, said on Friday that all applicants in future will have to attend citizenship classes. They will include learning about the basic values and fundaments of the German constitution and state.

Applicants will have to pay for the courses themselves.



That's a robbery and a waste of time for some people who do know much more that is going to be told during those courses.

Result: i will never apply for german citizenship if the courses will be made mandatory. guess some other people will make the same decision

"und dass es in unserem Land das Gewaltmonopol des Staates gibt und keine Selbstjustiz".

- http://www.n24.de/politik/inland/?n2006050612362700002

Wrong understanding.

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(4)  Gegen jeden, der es unternimmt, diese Ordnung zu beseitigen, haben alle Deutschen das Recht zum Widerstand, wenn andere Abhilfe nicht möglich ist.

That's Selbstjustiz. Besides, Stoiber has forgot that das Volk ist der Souverän and not a bunch of politicians like him who de facto claim to be a german state

"Alle Länder sollten in einer politischen Grundsatzentscheidung ausreichende Deutschkenntnisse bei der Einschulung verlangen."

- http://www.n24.de/politik/inland/?n2006050612362700002

lol and if some family came to germany and their kids do not speak german? shall they forever live from Hartz IV then?

http://de.news.yahoo.com/05052006/3/sprachtests-einbuergerungskurse-kuenftig-pflicht.html

"Wie bisher ist ein Aufenthalt von acht Jahren als Voraussetzung für die Einbürgerung vorgesehen. Allerdings soll Ausländern bei besonderen Leistungen auch schon früher die deutsche Staatsbürgerschaft gewährt werden können. Damit werde neben der Verschärfung auch ein Anreiz zur Erleichterung der Einbürgerung gegeben, sagte Nordrhein-Westfalens Innenminister Ingo Wolf (FDP)."


That is good news. We will have to make test but the time will be shortened. I heard on TV it will only six years.
So first GC could get CS this summer and me next year.

What about your current citizenship? Will you have to give it up in order to get the german citizenship?
As far as I know it's not allowed in Germnay to have any citizenship beside the German one.

Yes, Germany only allows one citizenship unless it is an exceptional cases. I did see a document explaining these exceptional cases but could not find it after a lazy search.

Actually does anyone know and can recommend a good lawyer that could help in citizenship cases. I get my NE in May but I have lived in Germany for 9 years. The early 4 years were as a student.

I would like to have a chat with a lawyer and discuss the chances of getting a citizenship.

Die deutsche Staatsbürgerschaft ist nicht irgend etwas Beliebiges, sondern sehr wertvoll, wie man beim Engagement der Bundesregierung für unsere Geiseln im Irak zuletzt wieder gesehen hat.

http://www.bild.t-online.de/BTO/news/aktuell/2006/05/07/roland-koch/roland-koch,templateId=renderKomplett.html

Oh yes, wer will als Geisel entführt werden, der muss den Pass des deutschen Staatsangehörigen besitzen. Die Leuten im Ausland ja kennen, dass die Bundesregierung aller Wahrscheinlichkeit nach das Millionenlösegeld ja zahlen wird. Aber was passiert, wenn man trotz Erwartungen von Geiselnehmer nicht zahlen wird, hmm?

Bei der Entführung der Britin Margaret Hassan im Oktober 2004 verlangten die Entführer zehn Millionen US-Dollar. Die Briten weigerten sich zu zahlen – Begründung: Für eine Geisel sei nicht mehr als fünf Mio. üblich. Margaret Hassan mußte sterben!

http://www.bild.t-online.de/BTO/news/aktuell/2006/05/04/geiseln-rueckkehr-deutschland/geiseln-rueckkehr-deutschland,templateId=renderKomplett.html#

Wer will sterben, der muss ja Deutscher sein!

Yes, I heard someone with hoch - qualification, when applying citizenship but refusing to reject existing citizen, get double citizenship. I hope it is not rumour. If it is not, I hope to hear comment that if it is country dependent.
J

What is with 6 years? Anybody knows something about it?
I heard on TV they will shorten it from 8 to 6 years in the case of integration test, but I did not find it on the internet. I only found that they really want to shorten it but I did not saw exact numer of years.
In the law it already says something about shortening it from 8 to 7 years in the case of integration course (not test, only course because back than they did not planned any test).

So, if they want to shorten it now in the case when someone does test that 6 years that I heard n TV makes sense. I should be less than 7 with course and more than 5 for NE. So 6 is the only possible choice. But if somebody found link where we can see this 6 years it would be usefull.

BTW, at the moment it is not yet law. We have to wait a litle bit until law is done. But it should not last long because they allready reached compromiss and decided what to do. It just has to be put on paper.

So if you have link stating 6 years fro CS just go ahead.

Regarding double CS the only way I now is when your land refuses to set you free from your old CS. That happends if you did not do the army obligations. In that case you just show that they will not set you free and Germany gives you CS so you than have 2.

"So if you have link stating 6 years fro CS just go ahead."

Hi DvD,

I just found this article :
http://www.taz.de/pt/2006/05/06/a0185.1/text

in the 4th paragraph it states:


Ebenso sei die 8-Jahres-Grenze flexibel, wie Beckstein erklärte: "Wenn besondere sprachliche Leistungen zu erkennen sind oder ein gesellschaftliches Engagement, dann kann man den Pass schon nach 6 Jahren bekommen."


I dont what he really means with "besondere sprachliche Leistung"..

Regards,

Lacrima

Good question.
Is it when you are fluent in german or when you write a book in german language?
I hope first one.

I guess "besondere sprachliche Leistungen" means your language ability should come close to Freidrich Schiller or Goethe :-))

Statistics again is needed

If I understand correctly, the number of people accepted as citizens in Germany is declining and perhaps this explains the possibility of shortening the waiting period from 8 to 6 years for possibly a few reasons
a) to make more current GC or NE applicants more hopeful and continue to wait
b) to make GC-turned NE to wait a while more before emigrating to another EU country
c) to continue to make the law very flexible and yet no know really know what exactly it means.

ON the good side, it is making the Germany immigration law more attractive :-)

J.

It is better for smart ones that can learn german and do the test like most of the GC. But for most of the people it is worse.
They are not concerned about declining nuber of CS. CDU just had to give something in order SPD to accept integration test. So they gave 6 years instead of 8.

@DVD,

As far as CS-Law is concirned, 1 year is reduced from 8 to 7(provided, one has done Integrationkurs) and not 6.

CS-Sponse mitEinbürgerung(4 years Aufenthalt, out of which 2 years must have lived in DE)

CS-Kids (3 years)

If this 6-year is applied, then its not so far :-)

But, I fear that its just an argument and not part of any law. Please correct, if the above info is wrong?

Source: www.einbuergerung.de

Gruss,

A.T

"But, I fear that its just an argument and not part of any law"

Correct. We just discuss here a possibility of a coming law based on the discussions/arguments of the politicians. But as being the lawmakers of the society, politicians' arguments usually give reliable signs for the potential law changes in that area.. ;) nothing more, nothing less..

Regards,

Lacrima

@A.T.

you did not read my text very carefully. otherwise you would not disagree.
I said the same as you: now it is possible with course to cut it from 8 to 7 years.

But this law will be changed. It is 100% sure because CDU and SPD allready reached agreement.
Now they want that we do test after course if we want CS. It will be german test and politics test.

You can not find this info in law because it is not changed yet. They just found compromise few days ago. But since SPD and CDU agreed there is nothing to stop them. You can count with this law changes maybe even before summer. This year for sure.

@DVD,

If this is gonna change before summer, then do update about that change-in-law, as some NE's including myself & Nobody could be able to apply thru this change(ofcourse, this year :-))

Regarding 100-Questions Test, I think, in Hessen, they have implemented by now!

Or there is some special Test extra for this 1 year reduction?

@Lacrima,
Cheers!



A.T