Hi Kds,

congratulation. But our problem is not the same like you. Because you have vaild workpermit, when you apply the PR. If we apply the PR, our workpermit is NO MORE valid. that is fact.

best regards

GC-Holder100

Dear kds:

Congratulations man!. You have got exactly what any of us want.

In my personal case, I guess your move was so important, because A..amt has considered the years you were GC as years valid for the PR.

But the PR is done, now go to make yourself a gift, you deserve it

Regards

YO

This is somehow pathetic.

Here we are, a reasonable lot of professionals, looking for small letters in obscure laws to find a loophole through which we could stay here.

It is true, we knew that this was going to last only 5 years. This GC law -well, turns out it is not even a law- was made on the final edge of the .com bubble, and I bet dead sure that on that point Germany knew for sure that they were buying time in order to postpone this decission and play "with all the cards on sight".

Now the cards are indeed visible. Millions of unemployed guys. A few thousand of GCs. No more bubble, and a market that is not quite clear whether is catching up or not. In this moment, Germany cannot plan to expand because of the pressure that means having near 5 million people on the unemployment rows, but again, Germany cannot dismiss yet any professional recruiting effort because the market may well catch up and in a couple of years may well mean Germany again running behind and looking really silly. Add to this the beautiful ability of the German politic system to turn common sense into "konzept" traps, and there we are.

At this point, guys, I am tired. Look, I am on my early 30s, with degrees and background. I can reasonably find my way in german, english, spanish and some other languages. I have a family and a career. I work for an American software company in reasonable expansion. This may sound stupid but... I respect myself. No false pride, just, well, you know, I know what my place is.

I am absolutely fed up with this discussions. I feel outraged. Ignored. Let me put this in perspective: I mean absolutely no disrespect to any ethnic group or religion, no way, but some time ago, reading on Der Spiegel how the AlQaeda cell was composed in Hamburg, there were guys there that lived out of Kindergeld and Sozialhilfe, guys there coming and going freely. Then, you are a professional, you pay taxes, you make your best for integrate yourself into this society, to understand the rules, to learn the language. You even give birth to a child and teach him within the cultural blueprints of this country. You dream, even.

And what do we get? This unbelievable, disrepectful treatment of just "ignoring" the case, let it sunset into despair, nobody cares really, we first have to stand to our political pride, defend our prestige, not let it go. Ah, yes, there are people anxious about what we are discussing... what was it? Ah, the Zuwanderung thing. Jeez, you can get lost in this coalition stuff, can't you? I mean, we are German politicians, we live through the imperative categories of Kant, therefore, we must stick to our "feinkonzept", and typecast the reality to make it fit our own absurdity. Is there any other way of dealing with it?

Is beautiful. Now the Greens are in a bravado posture, tired of the stubborness of CDU/CSU. Now Schilly starts menacing his own coalition partners, and drawing "red lines". Now. Beautiful. A law that was approved by technically half a vote, rejected by Supreme Court, and reentered identically to a reconfigured Parliament, jeeez, is that consumate Realpolitik or what? This would be even funny if it wasn't dramatic. As a template on how things really can get f...ed up here, no better example. It is that difficult to negotiate within Germans? Well, it seems so...

Honestly, you know what? I am sick and tired to be a mendicant for a place. I don't even know if I want to stay here. For sure, if I am sticking around is because here I am more useful to my actual employer, and because my son was born here, and I still have that stupid romanticism that seems long dead in this country. I would like to give some continuity to my son, to let him live with the smells, colors, weather and language under which he was born -a chance that many of us didn't have, by the way. Why, I am silly, right? After all, nobody seems to really care here about "Heimatland" any more, no matter how much we fill our Oktoberfest discurses every year.

Whatever. I am tired of this. I just don't give a damn any more over this political nightmares. The only thing I would appreciate, as a nice detail, is the acknowledgment: you cannot keep us here any more? Fine. Say it. JUST DAMN SAY IT. Take the step. Show to the world that you could not even manage to integrate 13k of willing professionals. Tell that your fair system is so strictly perfect that it becomes absurd.

There is one last barrier for me: I still believe that the system, Germany as a whole, is worth all this struggle. Somehow I still do. I also still believe that "rejection" means unability to deal with the unexpected within the frame of this hyper-structured, over-organized moods of the society. I have not -yet- believed that this is in fact meaning WE DON'T WANT YOU HERE (which will be terrible) but rather, WE JUST DON'T KNOW HOW TO HANDLE IT. Even then, I would expect a sincere "Sorry guys".

Will I break that last line of defense? I don't know. Sometimes I hope not. In any case, if that day comes I'm dead sure out of here.

Exhasperated,

Diego aka Sudaca.

kds, congratulations!
SudSud, great words... it was more then a conclusion...

What if the GC's spouse has a Arbeitsberechtigung after she successfully stayed here for 2 years. And she is working. If she can approach for PR as she has a Arbeitsberechtigung....


finally a new twist to this old topic

regards
jani

HI Kds,
Congratulations...
Jelda

Congrats kamal!!
Do u mind in sharing the entire procedure for PR with us??

cheers
pramod.

Diego (or SudSud):
You are soo right.
Do you think you could put together an "open letter" of sorts with these thoughts of yours, which all of us who share your opinion (I'd say, all) could sign and then send it to Mr. Schröder (and, hopefully with Detlef's help, to the press) -- after all, he was the one who personally invited all of us here.
I have spoken with many "natives" (read: voters) on the subject, and there haven't been any reactions other than outrage at the situation we've been put in. After they got informed about that situation, that is. And that's where we should put some effort: raising the awareness about our problems in the German society. We need to be active, man. Publicly.

As a side thought: There have been several reports about, and interviews with, the GC #1 in the past months. I mean, his GreenCard is in a museum in Bonn, and he still plans to leave Germany. He has studied here, got a doctorate meanwhile, and has worked for several years in Germany -- as he puts it, employers on the other side ot the pool treasure German education and work experience... more than the Germans do. And he doesn't want to wait for the Ausländerbehörde to escort him to the airport. So he leaves. So much for the "case-by-case" basis.

To kds: Congratulations! You have been living here for more than 6 (not 5) years, I assume, as there is a text in SGB, explicitly stating that work done under the conditions of a special Verordnung (like IT-ArGV) should not be counted against the 60-month-social-security-paying term that gives you right of Arbeitsberechtigung. Or you got lucky. Either way, enjoy! But please don't forget to sign the open letter, if Diego decides to write it :-)

Have a nice weekend!
Flado

Hi Kds,reddy,srikanth( and whoever knows about this) ,
I am also one who finished 5 yrs of work in germany - a mixture of normal work permit(2 yrs) + green card(3 yrs). I am curious to know about unbefristet Aufenthaltserlaubnis(I will call it uAU).What are the advantages of getting this uAU ? Also i read that to get this you need a unbefristet arbeitserlaubnis(i will call it uAR) which I dont have. Mine is a befristet arbeitserlaubnis. Can I ask for a uAR ? I have a feeling they may ask for a uAU when I ask for uAR. It is like a chicken and egg situation. Any thoughts/ideas ?

Gruß

Hello to All GC's n non-GC's IT workforce,

Like Kds, today I also got my unbefristet Aufenthaltserlaubnis (in short PR). I also had the similar situation like his. I understand from the oficials at Auslanderamt that I should inform Arbietsamt about this and they should change the nature of my work permit.

I find this forum very informative and useful especially to the new comers. For me, there was no german language test. All my communications with them happened in English !

Good luck for the future PR aspirants and keep updating the forum with your personel experience.

Hi Anand,
Do you have any answer to my questions I posted? Or better can you give me your contact email or tel.no so that I can clarify some things.

regards

Hello kds and others,
I have finished 5 yrs in Germany and would like to apply for a permanent Visa. I have an unlimited job contract but not an unlimited work permit. But the requirement for applying for a permanent Visa is an unlinited work permit. How can I get an unlimited Work Permit first ?
Thanks in Advance.

regards

try at ArbAmt
and sag uns Bescheid

Hi,

I am a green card holder, working in Germany from November 2001. I was also worked in Germany between august 1999 to June 2000 (10 Months) . This was under the scheme “international transfer of employees “. During this period I paid only tax. Whether this duration also considered, when I apply for long-term work permit?


With thanks

KA

Hi kds,

can you also submit to them things like proof of social insurance payments or do they check that themselves?

I've written a letter to BFA last week, asking them how much I should pay for the 10 months I was unemployed, I think I'm gonna get myself into the voluntary payments and see if it pays for, got some feelings that I will. Let's just wait for their answer, may be they will also provide a way to calculate this amount. I would let you know then.

D.

And as I gather that they need roughly 4 to 6 weeks to check that, meaning 1 to 1 1/2 month, I think one should submit all that nearly 2 months before the end of one's residence permit, right?

D.

Hi,
I came into the Gc program in the year sep 2000 & my GC will be expiring in 2005 sep. In between, I was arbeitlos for 1& a half months. One condition of permanant Residence is that one has to pay 60 months of pention. How abt my 1 & a half months then?.Should I contact the BFA regarding this?

Is the term referring to "SocialSecurity" same as pention,co's, heard some one referring that we should pay towards socialsecurity also for these 60 months.

would appreciate it if someone could put some light on this.

Thanks...

if you received arbeitslosgeld for this 1,5 month than your pension fond is also paid

No,I didn't arbeitlose geld. what should I do in that case?

I didn't register as unEmployed, in the arbeitsamt office,co's when I left the earlier company , I already had the offerletter from the new company. I used this 1 & a half months for finding apartment & relocating...
Thanks