Dear All,
What about the new law, if some one gets anual salary >63000 Euro can get NE?
How is it calculated, does it including urlaub and weinacht geld.

Thanks and regards-
ASM

"What about the new law, if some one gets anual salary >63000 Euro can get NE?"

There is no such law. It has been discussed some time ago among the German politicians, but it has not been a law, not even a law proposal. You will probably finish your 5 years and get NE anyway, before German politicians can decide on such a law.. ;)

Regards,

Lacrima

2. Permanent residence permit for highly qualified persons - §19 AufenthG

Scientists, university lecturers, specialists and leading managers with long professional experience, for example, will have the chance of getting the permanent residence permit immediately, if they do not need official support for integration.

The permanent residence permit is unlimited and includes the permission to work.

An example for someone who is highly qualified can be, that he/she earns the double of the amount which someone needs if he wants to get private insurance instead of the mandatory one.

This is around 95.000,- €

Good luck
Detlef

Well, I thought he was asking regarding this issue:
http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,2214851,00.html?maca=en-rss-en-bus-1025-rdf
as he was mentioning a new law.

This 85 - 95K thing for NE has been around for some time.(I guess, it is in force since 1.1.2005)
But there was a political discussion recently to lower the salary limit to 63K to get an NE immediately.(See the link above) That political discussion led to nothing. That was my point in my previous post.

Regards,

Lacrima

Hi Detlef, a small correction: it is 85.500 € for 2007.

Proof.

The law for NE to the high skilled people is defined in AufenthG §19:
http://www.aufenthaltstitel.de/aufenthaltsg.html#19

The minimum amount of annual gross income stated in this law is bound to Beitragsbemessungsgrenze (income limit) for health insurance:
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beitragsbemessungsgrenze

The law states that a scientist or high skilled person who is getting so much gross annual income that is double of this money can get NE from §19.

According to the table at Wikipedia, in 2007 the limit of annual gross income for health insurance is 42.750 €. To get NE wrt. AufenthG §19, you must earn an annual gross income of 85.500 €. In other words, your monthly gross salary must be min. 7.125 €.

Klenze17.

I just wonder...is there someone who get 7000 / 8000 € bruto per month?
I mean from the ex GC's, and if there is, what kind of job it is?

Hi again,

read this:

Achtung Verwechslungsgefahr!

Nicht verwechseln darf man die Versicherungspflichtgrenze und die Beitragsbemessungsgrenze. Seit 2003 sind sie von einander losgelöst zu betrachten.

Versicherungs-Pflichtgrenze Beitrags-Bemessungsgrenze
Mit der Versicherungspflichtgrenze gibt der Gesetzgeber vor, bis zu welcher Einkommens-Höhe brutto (derzeit 3.975,00 Euro monatlich / 47.700 Euro pro Jahr) ein Arbeitnehmer automatisch Mitglied in der gesetzlichen Krankenversicherung (GKV) sein und bleiben muss.

Die Beitragsbemessungsgrenze legt fest, bis zu welchem Betrag vom Einkommen (derzeit 3.562,50 Euro monatlich / 42.750 Euro pro Jahr) Beiträge zur gesetzlichen Kranken- und Pflegeversicherung berechnet und abgeführt werden.

Die Beitragsbemessungsgrenze wurde zum 1. Januar 2006 von 42.300 auf 42.750 Euro angehoben und die Versicherungspflichtgrenze erhöhte sich von bislang 46.800 Euro auf 47.250 Euro.

Update 29.11.2006: Mittlerweile sind die voraussichtlichen Zahlen für die Versicherungspflichtgrenze 2007 bekannt gegeben geworden: 3.975,00 Euro im Monat bzw. 47.700 Euro im Jahr!

But at least... all depends ;-)

Have a nice weekend and good night
Detlef

"is there someone who get 7000 / 8000 € bruto per month?
I mean from the ex GC's, and if there is, what kind of job it is?"

@max

Usually experienced (SAP) Consultants and experienced Project Managers can earn that amount. If we think that, there are more that 10.000 (ex)-GClers, it is no surprise that some percentage of that people fall into this category.

Regards,

Lacrima

Hi,

I must point out again, that the paragraph 3 of the law [1] crystal clearly states that required minimum gross income is strictly bound to the double of the income limit of gesetzliche Krankenversicherung (state health insurance), which gives us 85.500 € for 2007 [2]:

3. Spezialisten und leitende Angestellte mit besonderer Berufserfahrung, die ein Gehalt in Höhe von mindestens dem Doppelten der Beitragsbemessungsgrenze der gesetzlichen Krankenversicherung erhalten.

max asks:
is there someone who get 7000 / 8000 € bruto per month?

The annual gross income of 85.500 € does not mean that the monthly salary must be 85.500 € / 12 = 7.125 €. If the Weihnachtsgeld (Xmas bonus), Urlaubsgeld (vacation bonus) and AT-Zulage (extra bonus) are included in gross income, then min. required monthly salary reduces down below 7.000 € (probably to 6.000 € level). On the contrary, due to recession in Germany companies tend to reduce bonuses overall, which leads requirement of salaries of higher than 7000 € for NE wrt. AufenthG §19 [1].

max, I am in the same opinion. I strongly belivee there are very very few foreigns who got their salaries in this level.

Lacrima answers:
Usually experienced (SAP) Consultants and experienced Project Managers can earn that amount.

There are very few foreigns in Germany who has NE wrt. AufenthG §19. In 2005 only 500-700 people got this type of NE [3]. This law thus does not have a wide audience.

Lacrima says:
If we think that, there are more that 10.000 (ex)-GClers, it is no surprise that some percentage of that people fall into this category.

No, the actual number of unique GCs is far below than 10.000, it is around 8000. Some people got new GC permissions after having lost 1st job, which are counted in the numbers [4].

For GClers: The most extensive academic research about us is [5].


Klenze17.

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[1] AufenthG §19, http://www.aufenthaltstitel.de/aufenthaltsg.html#19
[2] Beitragsbemessungsgrenze, http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beitragsbemessungsgrenze
[3] Evaluierungsbericht zum Zuwanderungsgesetz, http://www.bmi.bund.de/Internet/Content/Common/Anlagen/Themen/Auslaender__Fluechtlinge__Asyl/DatenundFakten/Evaluierungsbericht__zum__Zuwanderungsgesetz,templateId=raw,property=publicationFile.pdf/Evaluierungsbericht_zum_Zuwanderungsgesetz.pdf
[4] Die Green Card für IT-Fachkräfte:
Bestandsaufnahme und Entwicklungsperspektive
arbeitsmarktbedingter Zuwanderung in Deutschland, http://www.ub.uni-konstanz.de/kops/volltexte/2003/933/pdf/steinfatt.pdf, page 63.
[5] Greencard für Ausländische IT-Fachkräfte, http://www.kompetenznetze.de/Redaktion/Zentralredaktion/Literatur/medien/de/info__Greencard,property=pdf.pdf . This is the last academic research about Greencard. I am afraid there won't be any other. But there is a Turkish scientist now who is making her PhD dissertation on GCs (but for Turkish people, Lacrima knows her too, we both participated in this academic research).

Hi shahisandeep,

1. if somebody earns more than 85,500 euros annually he/she can apply for a NE straightway.

Yes and it must be done ASAP, because next year it might be another value, as stated in the law.

2.Is bonus also considered to be a part of gehalt.

Yes, any single cent stated in the pay slip is considered. Bonus (AT-Zulage), Vermögenswirksame Leistung, even the company bonus paid for Arbeitsweg (the way between home and work). Requirement is all the money which is in the pay slip and taxed. Principally every single cent stated in the pay slips are taxed, so just calculate your pay slips. In some companies pay slips include cumulative sum of brutto income throughout the year, which eases the computation.

if anybody has already tried getting it , i would appreciate information.

Apart from rajeshspg, we don't know anyone here in these forums who got NE w.r.t. AufenthG $19.

This law item has been effective only for 700-900 people in Germany ( http://www.bmi.bund.de/Internet/Content/Common/Anlagen/Themen/Auslaender__Fluechtlinge__Asyl/DatenundFakten/Evaluierungsbericht__zum__Zuwanderungsgesetz,templateId=raw,property=publicationFile.pdf/Evaluierungsbericht_zum_Zuwanderungsgesetz.pdf ). Unfortunately none of them is a member of these forums.

Rajesh's case is special because he is not working in private companies, instead in academic institutions.

If you can get it, please share your experiences in these forums so that everyone can have an idea what is possible, what is not.

Klenze17.

Hi,

I have requested for NE under this category, and beamter asked me to come back after 4 weeks. He wanted to check with his superior regarding this.

Best of luck with your application. Since it is written in the law you should get it.

Regards,
Rakhi

hi Rakhi,

I have requested for NE under this category, and beamter asked me to come back after 4 weeks. He wanted to check with his superior regarding this.

Best of luck with your application. Since it is written in the law you should get it.

There are a lot of requirements stated in the NE w.r.t AufenthG §19 ( http://www.aufenthaltstitel.de/aufenthaltsg.html#19 ).

Rakhi, your application is very important for all foreigners in this forum, and it will be a leading case for this NE (except for Rajesh's case). Because that, may I ask you to write here with which qualifications you apply for this NE?

Patents? Publications? Management position?
Are you working in private company or state institution?

Klenze17.

Hi Klenze,

I have applied under income basis with special professional experience. I am working as IT freelancer. If I have to be a manager to be considered under this category, I may not get it. It would be great if someone can translate that complete paragraph of §19 into english.

Regards,
Rakhi

Hi,

you may find this website interesting:

http://www.zuwanderung.de/english/

http://www.zuwanderung.de/english/2_neues-gesetz-a-z/hochqualifizierte.html

I wish all of you a nice weekend!

Viele Grüße aus Berlin
Detlef :-)

Hi,
I am working as a self dependent and have a import/export business and annual income 90,000 to 120,000 Euro.
can I apply for NE?without integration course!!
my status is I am Indian and married with German.

Please give your suggestion.

Kumar

Detlef,

Thanks a lot for the information/links. The last statement of highly skilled worker definition says that "Highly qualified workers are typically executives or specialists in their field with a current annual salary in excess of €84,000".

So, if anyone who is specialist in their field and earns in excess of €84,000 should be eligible for NE. He need not be a scientist or manager. Anyway, I will wait for the first response from beamter regarding my case.

Regards,
Rakhi

Hi Rakhi,

So, if anyone who is specialist in their field and earns in excess of €84,000 should be eligible for NE. He need not be a scientist or manager.

This is true, but one small correction:

The annual brutto income stated in that text Detlef sent is outdated. In 2007 this has been 85.500 Euro. Please read my previous postings in this thread, in which I have given technical details how this amount is calculated.

This money is dependent upon tax calculations by German government and is adjusted on a year basis. That means, next year it can be 86.000 Euro. Since the inflation in developed countries like Germany is small, we do not expect big jumps in this amount.

Wow, a lot of freelancers here! Do you guys (Rakhi, shahisandeep) have IT background? Did you work in Germany for a while first? I don't expect too personal information a small historical background of yourself would be helpful for everyone here in the forums to get this kind of NE!

Klenze17.

Klenze,

Yes, I saw your earlier post regarding the required income for this year.

Well, I came here on GC in 2003. I got a freelance contract last year and changed my visa to restricted freelance visa(This was taken care by my agency). Recently I came to know about this NE as per §19 from this forum.Thanks a lot to the people sharing valuable information on this platform. I hope the beamter gives a positive response.

Regards,
Rakhi

Guys,

Bad news is that freelancers are not eligible under $19. So, I will not be getting NE. Anyway thanks a lot for all the help by providing useful information.

Regards,
Rakhi

Hi,
I am working as a selfdependent and have a import/export business and annual income 90,000 to 120,000 Euro.
can I get NE?without integration course!!
my status is I am Indian and married with German.

Please give your suggestion.

Kumar