Hey guys,

I was wondering if anyone has got the NE with the addendum "Daueraufenthalt EG". I am going there in 2 months and planning on asking for it. I was wondering if there is a precedence already.

I should have got it 2 weeks ago but the dudes in Ausländeramt told me I gotta wait till they get the right sticker(that thing they stick into the passport) with the wordings "Daueraufenthalt EG". They will send me a letter as soon as the sticker arrives. Till then I have to wait.

Hi,

Thanks for the reply. Did you have to ask for it specially or do all NEs now come with that automatically?

Cheers

"I gotta wait till they get the right sticker(that thing they stick into the passport) with the wordings "Daueraufenthalt EG"

@caligula
Could you please post here when they physically stick the "Daueraufenthalt EG" on your passport ? that would be an important info for the rest of the community.. (and also the state in which you get it)

Thanks,

Lacrima

@xenon123
yes, you have to ask Ausländeramt for it. Any GC holder who qualifies for NE is entitled to it. This special NE is your entitlement and you should not be tossed about.

@caligula: Thanks man. This is really useful information

Just one more question. Which city/town did you apply your NE at?

@xenon,
am located in meschede, Hochsauerlandkreis, better know as "Am Asch der Welt". Which is truly so bse even the germans themselves dont seem to have any idea where it is. I bet Detlef doesnt know either.

"Am Asch der Welt": haha!

Maybe you should think about moving No wonder they did not have the stickers

@xenon,
Indeed I am gonna be moving outta this hicktown very very soon. Am looking at all options and angles, even obtuse angles such as H1B. I already received some promising calls from usa, and even had a one hour techical interview on 18.03.2006. Better still I had an interview, the day before, in Brussels (European commission) and got a job offer. Now if that aint the best thing that ever happened to an Arbeitsloser, I will eat my head. I think you can now understand why am so much interested in that "Daueraufenthalterlaubnis EG". In fact I would bust an artery to get it. Next week I will be doing just that in the Ausländeramt. All beaurocratic german arteries in that place will be fair game. Watch this space. Cheers!!!

Sounds good! I wish you all the best and hope you get it. Let us know how it went.

Onward and upward

Hi ,

Can anybody in this forum explain me what
Daueraufenthalt EG with NE means.what will be the advantage for me as a NE to have this sentence on my visa

This would allow you to work in other EU countries as well (with some exceptions). Effectively, you are the EU permanant resident.

Hi xenon123,

Thanks for you reply. As you mentioned in ur reply that there are some exceptions.What are those exceptions?.let say If I got an offer in UK will I be able to work and live there with this kind of visa on my pass.
Thanks

I think UK will be one of them. UK, Denmark, Ireland maybe... I am not completely sure on this. Maybe someone with more information on this can answer this accurately.

On the contrary UK, Ireland and Denmark opted out of this agreement. So I dont think they will be rolling out the red carpet for anyone with a "Daueraufenthalt EG" seeking to raid their labor market.

Ya, that's what I meant. They are the exceptions.

Take a look for details..

http://www.duesseldorf.de/auslaenderamt/daueraufenthalt_eg/index.shtml

Hey guys,

I promised to update y'all concerning "Daueraufenthalt EG". I can now confirm that I got it today 20.03.2006. I did not wait for that letter they promised to write me when the "Daueraufenthalt EG" is ready. Earlier on they had told me that they didnt have it ready yet. After waiting for a week without seeing the promised letter, I wasnt taking none of that bullshit. I walked into the Ausländeramt today, with an ice-cold look on my face and then suddenly disarmed the behörde with a one-million carat smile when he started asking me if I had received any letter from them. The dude did not wait for my answer. He furiously punched a few buttons on his desk phone a couple of times, made some inquiries, and before I knew it the "Daueraufenthalt EG" was stamped into my passport. Man you gotta love Ausländeramtbehörde, sometimes. Also wer ist dran?

Hi caligula,

Congrats for getting it.I need to know from you whether they asked you to bring some document like proof for rente and that U had paid taxes for 60 month etc??

No they did not. If you are a GC holder and qualify for NE then you definitely do qualify for
"Daueraufenthalt EG". All you need are the biometric passport fotos. They will be required.

Cool. Congrats man! Biometric passport photos???! Sounds funky. Are they any different from normal photos? Did you get them taken by a professional photographer?

Cheers!

xenon123 wrote:
This would allow you to work in other EU countries as well (with some exceptions). Effectively, you are the EU permanant resident.

Don't be so fast EU Directive 2003/109/EC does not have precedence over the national laws. The said country must apply the Directive by law.

xenon123 wrote:
I think UK will be one of them. UK, Denmark, Ireland maybe... I am not completely sure on this. Maybe someone with more information on this can answer this accurately.

Yes, UK, Denmark and Ireland did not sign the Directive. Here is the proof:
http://europa.eu.int/eur-lex/lex/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=CELEX:32003L0109:EN:NOT

caligula wrote:
I promised to update y'all concerning "Daueraufenthalt EG". I can now confirm that I got it today 20.03.2006.

Caligula, could you please write what is written on the stick? We need written proof, so that we have something which set a precedent about this issue. Otherwise I don't believe in you.

caligula wrote:
No they did not. If you are a GC holder and qualify for NE then you definitely do qualify for
"Daueraufenthalt EG". All you need are the biometric passport fotos. They will be required.

No, your info is not enough. Any person having NE has the right to take advantage of 2003/109/EC.

I have never seen a German law/regulation which addresses that GC 2003/109/EC is valid for GC only. We need written proof, no gossip.

Klenze17

Herr "doubting thomas" Klenze, here is what is written in my Aufenthaltstitel.

.....
.....
......

ART DES TITELS: Niederlassungserlaubnis Erwerbstätigkeit gestattet.

ANMERKUNG: § 9 II AufenthG / Daueraufenthalt - EG
....
....

Hope that settles it.

"Caligula, could you please write what is written on the stick? We need written proof, so that we have something which set a precedent about this issue. Otherwise I don't believe in you."

The law is still in German Parlement and should be discussed and become law till June/July period. In the meantime, German internal affairs minisrty took a wise step and sent a request to ABHs to give already the "Daueraufenthalt EG", as if they refuse to give it, one can take the case to an EU Court, where Germany will be forced to give it anyway. So Germany wants to avoid the headaches till the law becomes reality and just stamp "Daueraufenthalt EG" on passports without actually having a law that is properly supporting it but the law is just a question of time and it will take effect soon or later..

This "Daueraufenthalt EG" does not have any connection with GC-Status. Everyone can get it, if the conditions for that are fullfilled.

Regards,

Lacrima

Hi all
I will apply for my NE in 2 weeks. Should I tell the Ausländerbehörde that I request the "Daueraufenthalt EG". Does this do me something good or I just add some troubles to the process of my NE.
Any comments are highly appriciated..
thanks

@zash: I would recommend you to read this thread from the beginning. However, a short answer to your question is that you should ask for it.

hi! every one
Congrats to caligula,
I am also a NE holder.
I called to the Berlin ABH to enquire regarding this extension "Daueraufenthalt EG".
But sadly I recieved the answer that this is only for EU citizens.
Do have some updated info xenon123 ?
or
Did any one of NE holders tried to know about this?, any more other sucess stories?.


fly

Ajay Suguru

I did not mean to convey the notion that only GC holders qualify. Sorry if you got me wrong.

I called to the Berlin ABH to enquire regarding this extension "Daueraufenthalt EG".
But sadly I recieved the answer that this is only for EU citizens

The Berlin ABH is bullshitting. Yes, this is bullshit to tha max. It is absolutely you right to have this permit. And u dont have to be EU citizen.

It took me no more than 4 weeks to obtain "Daueraufenthalt EG", after getting my NE in Dec 2005. And it only took this long bse the dudes where not conversant with this law and needed time to check to make sure alles in Ordnung war und ist.

I usually have a healthy dislike for small towns (villages if u like) in germany. But this time am proud of that small Dorf that granted me this "Daueraufenthalt EG". I am now working in brussels at the european commission, for a luxembourg co. Now, you can see why I gotta luv my former german Dorf to death.

But am absolutely disappointed when I read about the hustling you guys have to leisten when attempting to get this class of permit. And then you end up not getting the thang, bse of some ignorant Angestellter. Verdammt!!! nochmals

@caligula

it is a little bit unclear from your post, where did you get the Daueraufenthalt NE? In Berlin, small town in DE or in Brusels?

got mine while living in a small town about 1 hour and 20 min from hagen by train.

Hi!
After reading the complete thread to the end I have some thing to ask:

Having Daueraufenthalt-EG means that we can work within EU (with some exceptions) and still retain or "German PR title aka NE"?

=>Even after 6 months the NE doesnt get void?

=>If we work in UK (offcourse on a UK workpermit),we can anytime come back to Germany and work here again?

I wish any of the above is true-;)


VAH

Daueraufenthalt EG. is not for NON EU people.Not for indians e.t.c.

That is what I was told in my ABH in Bremen.


Please confirm if this is true.

Is it possible to have a statment quote from a law or something which I can show to them


Thanks


Havehope

What is this new Bla-bla after NE?
Source:http://www.buema.net/AE%20EG.pdf

Die neue Niederlassungserlaubnis-Daueraufenthalt-EG

Eine Information der Rechtsanwaltskanzlei Bümlein
Nach dem geltenden Aufenthaltsgesetz erlischt grundsätzlich jede Aufenthaltsgenehmigung -
also auch eine Niederlassungserlaubnis (ehemals „unbefristete Aufenthaltserlaubnis“) - bis
auf wenige Ausnahmen, wenn sich der Ausländer länger als sechs Monate außerhalb
Deutschlands aufgehalten hat. Diese Vorschrift entspricht jedoch nicht den europäischen
Richtlinien, sofern davon auch Ausländer betroffen sind, die langfristig in den EU-Staaten
aufenthaltsberechtigt sind.
Aus diesem Grund wird das Aufenthaltsgesetz geändert. Der entsprechende Gesetzesentwurf
sieht einen neuen Aufenthaltstitel für langfristig aufenthaltsberechtigten Ausländer vor: Die
Niederlassungserlaubnis-Daueraufenthalt-EG (§ 9 Abs. 3 AufenthG).
Dieser Aufenthaltstitel wird auf Antrag erteilt und setzt voraus, dass sich der Ausländer seit
mindestens fünf Jahren rechtmäßig im Bundesgebiet aufhält und die übrigen Voraussetzungen
für die Erteilung einer Niederlassungserlaubnis erfüllt sind: ausreichendes Einkommen,
Deutschkenntnisse, Straffreiheit etc..
Die Niederlassungserlaubnis-Daueraufenthalt-EG erlischt erst, wenn sich der Ausländer für
einen Zeitraum von zwölf aufeinander folgenden Monaten nicht im Gebiet der europäischen
Union aufgehalten hat. Das bedeutet, dass dieser Aufenthaltstitel nicht erlischt, wenn sich der
Ausländer etwa in Frankreich oder in der Niederlanden für längere Zeit aufhält. Der Verlust
der Niederlassungserlaubnis-Daueraufenthalt-EG tritt in einem solchen Fall erst nach einer
Abwesenheit aus dem Bundesgebiet von sechs Jahren ein (§ 51 Abs. 8 Nr. 4 AufenthG).
Die Inhaber einer Niederlassungserlaubnis-Daueraufenthalt-EG genießen zudem einen
besonderen Ausweisungsschutz, etwa wie Deutschverheiratete.
Anträge auf eine Niederlassungserlaubnis-Daueraufenthalt-EG können erst nach Inkrafttreten
des Gesetzes gestellt werden. Diesbezüglich werden wir gesondert berichten. Da die Frist zur
Umsetzung der europäischen Richtlinie in das deutsche Recht bereits abgelaufen ist, können
sich betroffene Ausländer bereits jetzt auf die dort vorgesehenen Rechte für langfristig
aufenthaltsberechtigten Personen im EU-Gebiet direkt berufen.

This issue is a perfect example how the officials in Ausländerbehörden behave different from each other.

At the moment, so far I can see, caligula in this website is the only person who has the NE+Daueraufenthalt/EG in his passport. More details, please read this thread. AFAIK he has not moved/started to work in another country in EU, to take advantage of 2003/109/EC [1].

Apart from that, coolben was told that he will get gemäß Abs.4 AufenthG und §§ 2-8 FreizügG/EU [2]. Please read that thread. After that he did not feed us. Therefore I think he has not got anything similar to the one caligula got.

2003/109/EC Council Directive opens NE holders to work in EU members signed that the Directive (England, Denmark and Ireland did not). But a NE holder can work only if the said countries (e.g. you have NE in Germany but want to work in Spain) apply the Directive in laws. AFAIK Germany has not done it yet [3]. And also, we don't know any list of countries applied this Directive.

I suspect that caligula's NE title covers 2003/109/EC, although he has that stick on his password. Probably the official did not read the laws correctly. I'm afraid that we have no example, which/who is a "test case" for it.

Please correct me if I'm wrong here.

Klenze17.

[1] Council Directive 2003/109/EC, Aalvarez' link is not valid in EU official web pages any more. This one is correct: http://europa.eu.int/smartapi/cgi/sga_doc?smartapi!celexplus!prod!DocNumber&lg=en&type_doc=Directive&an_doc=2003&nu_doc=109
[2] http://www.trust7.com/en/forums/visa_questions/2_8_freizuegg_eu
[3] http://www.fluechtlingsinfo-berlin.de/fr/pdf/BMI_AendG_ZuwG_030106.pdf

"Please correct me if I'm wrong here."

You are not wrong but I would advice you to follow the "Gesetzänderungen" category of the "info4alien" Forum instead of trying to draw a conclusion from Trust7 posts. Info4alien posts are more reliable and informative in this regard.

http://www.info4alien.de/cgi-bin/forum/YaBB.cgi?board=aenderungen

According to this thread:
http://www.info4alien.de/cgi-bin/forum/YaBB.cgi?num=1146658479

The law is not (yet) effective in Germany but it looks like some states startto issue "Daueraufenthalt-EG". At least an ABH-Officer from NRW says that there is a "Vorläufige Umsetzung der Richtlinie" in his state.

just FYI

Regards,

Lacrima

Got my NE today in Düsseldorf. I used the case to ask about the Daueraufenthalt EG. The official did not seem to want to deal with this, though the whole thing is on their webpage and I pointed him out a print of it, whereby he lokked and said "here! you see? It is for EU citizens only"...What!? I mean, I can read as much... but anyway... Point is, they either don't know it or don't feel like implementing it. I also did not want to get on his nerves, and just ignored the blatant fact of him talking nonsense. Blame me! I guess one has to wait till this thing gets officially accepted as a law, and perhaps then, there will be no need to state the obvious, either - namely, that whoever has a right of residence in country X of the EU, has the same right in other EU countries.

This was my... not exactly pleasant experience. Hope it is useful.

I just got Daueraufenthalt EG in Bonn. It costs 10 Euro and under AMMERKUNGEN field is written also : "$9 AufenthG (Daueraufenthaltsrecht EG)"

I'm romanian, I had greencard before, afterwards Niederlassungerlaubnis since March 2006.

have fun ...

Hi mihais,
congratulations.
Did you have to submit new documents to get the Daueraufenthalt EG? I mean how was the procedure?
Can u please give some details?
thanks a lot.
zash

I just went there asking for Daueraufenthalt EG and they gave it to me without asking me for additional papers or information.

I was there also 4 weeks ago when I had the page below printed:
http://www.duesseldorf.de/auslaenderamt/daueraufenthalt_eg/index.shtml

At that time I was the first one asking for this kind of permit and they did not have the printed stickers, they did not even knew about it.

It seems that everything is ok now ...

Thanks for the info.
in nürnberg/bayern where (where i live), they still do not give this title (DA-EG).
What would u recommend me to do in order to get it. Send the ABH a letter or just wait? I mean if i send them a letter, should they by law give me this title or is it determined by every state independently?

Hi,
I asked for the DA -EG stampel for my passport and the lady at ausländerbehorde said that ... in Herbst(Autumn) there will be a new law and only then can she do it ... Is this true ?

@stier

if you are in bayern than you have to wait cos Bayern issued Erlass to put EG on ice until law is accepted.
if you are in NRW you can get it now but you have to be persuasive. it would be usefull to find Erlass on net

Hi,

I'm in Bayern, in München. Today in the morning I went at AB (KVR), to apply for NE. Asked for D.EG, got positive answer. The guy said: "OK, it's the same, you'll get it, but you need to wait until 4th of August". Entered something into the computer, gave me a bunch of documents to fill in and said "Goodbye, we'll see us after 4th of August".
The documents i need to prepare are the same as for NE. Probably the tax will be slightly different - more expensive for D.EG, because it brings some more benefits (something like 85 EUR?).

Regards,
Plamen

no i am from BW... so thats why would really appreciate someone to post his/her experience if you already have that in your visa .

Got it today. No problems at all.

This document: http://www.buema.net/AE%20EG.pdf
explains the difference between NE and NE+Daueraufenhalt-EG

Plamen
(still) München

Yesterday, I visited Hamburg - Nord Ausländerbehorde for Daueraufenthalt EG. I had taken an appointment some few weeks back. On entering the office, I was asked what exactly do I need I explained abt Daueraufenthalt EG. The beamterin was shocked to hear that I am not even married to an european and still want to have a permit of EU. She threw all documents on the paper telling me that I do not stand any chance to get this visa as I am not from EU and have not married an EU citizen. I had to visit her Chief and finally after explaining to her Chief, I recd this visa.

But when leaving the office the beamterin again said a strange thing. She said "if I stay outside Germany for more than 6 months than my Niederlassungserlaubnis will expire but Daueraufenthalt will remain valid for maximum of 6 yrs". Is this true ? any idea.

Addition to my situeation. I want to pursue one year MBA in the UK and am leaving Germany in couple of weeks. It would be nice to maintain my status in Germany as it opens more options for me after my MBA. Any idea or suggestions of how I would be able to manage this?

Regards
Amol.

Congrads on getting N-EG.

The answer to your problem lies in the wording of N-EG. Doest it say ur visa is valid until u stay in EU-Countries or Schengen States? Isnt UK in EU?

Last but not least why dont u get permission from the AB before you leave? that would solve the problem.

An update . Did u see the link from ppetrov above your post?

@raj:

UK, Ireland and Denmark didnt sign it.

The link:
http://www.duesseldorf.de/auslaenderamt/daueraufenthalt_eg/index.shtml
says:

Wer einen solchen Aufenthaltstitel besitzt, kann sich in fast allen anderen EU-Ländern (außer in Großbritannien, Irland und Dänemark) unter erleichterten Voraussetzungen niederlassen.

After reading this thread and the links in this thread, I got an impression that I will be able to study one year in the UK without changing my status. I will get this confirmed next week with Ausländerbehörde.

I went to finanzamt to ask them how do I file my tax returns next year (I will not be working for 3 months so will fall in different tax slab and expect a good return). He recommended that I should keep my registeration in Germany otherwise it will not be possible for them to process my tax returns and I will fall in other category of some beschränkte tax return which has less benifits. (I have to find more information regarding this)

Regards
Amol.

@amol:

Congrats for getting D-EG.

One question: Did they mentioned any date (gültig bis) in your new visa?

As far as I understand, D-EG & German NE are permanent residence. So there should be no dates mentioned on that.

amolp76 wrote
Yesterday, I visited Hamburg - Nord Ausländerbehorde for Daueraufenthalt EG. I had taken an appointment some few weeks back. On entering the office, I was asked what exactly do I need I explained abt Daueraufenthalt EG. The beamterin was shocked to hear that I am not even married to an european and still want to have a permit of EU. She threw all documents on the paper telling me that I do not stand any chance to get this visa as I am not from EU and have not married an EU citizen. I had to visit her Chief and finally after explaining to her Chief, I recd this visa.

It seems that the official you talked knows only the FreizügG/EU, which is valid for EU citizen or foreign people married to EU citizen. She doesn't know anything else like 2003/109/EC:
http://www.aufenthaltstitel.de/freizuegigkeitsgeu.html

Klenze17.

Could somebody tell me how to get this???
I live more than 5 years in Hamburg, my husband is german. I have more less everything they want.
But right now i dont have a work. Is that a problem since my husband has got a good one?


Thanks very much!!!


carolina

@puppita

I think it would be easy for you to take german citizenship as compared to NE.

@puppita

I got mine in Feb,2007 from Wandsbek ( Schloßstraße 60)
I don't know where you live
I also remember to have read from this site that someone got EG from Hamburg-Mitte.

I was the first person to apply for it in Hamburg-Wandsbek,but they should be aware about it now.
It's better to make a Formal written Application,
with photo-copies of all required Documents.

They had asked for the following:
1.Last 3 Gehalts Abrechnungen.
2.Rentenversicherung nachweis( 60 Monate)
They told me this is a must, or you don't get it.
(ask for it from www.bfa.de they will send it 2u.
click =>Meine Kontoinformation=> Versicherungsverlauf
3.Arbeitsvertrag
4.Mietvertrag.
5.Passport size photo
( will be stamped in your Passport with the EG )

But since you are married to a German, i think it's better if you apply for a German Citizenship.

I also think that they might refuse if you are currently not employed, but just go and speak with them, you never know

Regards,

Pasko

Hi everyone,

I applied for the Daueraufenthalt EG in April in Bonn. I received a letter from BONN Auslaenderamt on 20.08.07 stating that I should come with EUR 10 and my passport to get the Daueraufenthalt EG.

I got an appointment for 11.09.07. When I reached there the guy said sorry he can not give the Daueraufenthalt EG to me that day as there are new rules in force since the beginning of September 2007 that require you to clearly shows "Daueraufenthalt EG" on the sticker as well as "according to paragraph 9A". He said the stickers need to come from Berlin and it can take 1 week or 1 month or 3 months - he can not say. He said he will call me or send a letter when the stickers come.

Can someone confirm this?? To me it sounds like he is messing with me.

THANK YOU IN ADVANCE FOR ANY HELP YOU CAN EXTEND! Keep up the good work on this website.

Hi Buntyster,

the information you got is correct. The new EU regulations came into force in Germany on the 28th of August but the new stamps are not ready.

But if you need this new type of visa urgently you can insist on getting the old/new ;-) interim sticker, which people got before the 28th of August, because this will also be valid.

If you do not need it urgently, I recommend to wait until the stamps are ready.

A nice weekend to you and 'the rest' of the t7 members :-)

Viele Grüße aus Berlin
Detlef

This is fun, actually I am planning to leave the company I am working for and do nothing for 3 months and get some rest, but I can not leave before I get the Daueraufenthalt-EG, currently holding NE though...

Hi Detlef,

Thank you very much for your reply. I feel much better now.

I did ask him if he could give me the old one and he said NO as it will be illegal. He even went on to give me an example to make his point by how if I travelled to Spain, the police will stop me at the border, look at the old stamp and put me in jail etc !

Can you confirm that in the previous version, it said Niederlassungserlaubnis - Daueraufenthalt EG and in the new one it will not mentioned "Niederlassungserlaubnis" part anymore?

He did say that I can call him once a week to ask whether the stickers came or not..

By the way, his explanation was that it will come from Berlin and they have other priorities etc...like printing out passports. Although this is logical, it is still very poor performance even compared to a country like India where I come from. My father is a high ranking government official (Diplomat-Ambassador) and when I told him that it can take weeks if not months, he told me that even in India such things are printed and sent by courier within the country. And we are talking about Bonn, the former capital and not Villingen-Schwenningen.

Thank you once again and have a nice weekend!

Hello

The Daueraufenthalt EG is an interesting concept I came to know from this forum.

Now I have a work permit since 2 years now and next january I will apply for the NE under 19 a ( salary thing ).

So can I get the Daueraufenthalt EG ? any ideas .

Regards

Sandeep

@buntyster
Hi buntyster,

I am srinivas from Villingen and working in St.Georgen. If you are living in Villingen we can meet once.
my mail id: srinukasam@yahoo.co.in
thank you
bye

Good to know that now there is a seperate paragraph of D-EG in Aufenthaltsgesetz.

http://www.aufenthaltstitel.de/aufenthaltsg.html#9a

But it's not clear to me that what are they going to have on the new stamp?

"Niederlassungserlaubnis - Daueraufenthalt EG"

or just

"Daueraufenthalt EG" with paragraph nr. §9a

good and bad... now they are telling stories like they wait for new stickers which need to come from Berlin to include Daueraufenthalt-EG on them. Before that they were just putting to the NE stickers manually "Daueraufenthalt-EG". Wait for this, wait for that, time passes by, I am sick of waiting all these security checks, and now it is not enough, we wait for new stickers... oh well...

excuses excuses....like it is a big deal if they just put another sticker in our pass.....
grrrrrrr

How long does it take to get NE-Daueraufenthalt EG after applying? I was told few days ago at ABH that it can take upto 3 months because they need to check several things e.g with police & so on.

I applied end of July and got it today.

@caligula,

How much fees did you pay for this upgradation from NE-EG?

As I was charged 85 euro for this upgrade..

@mihais

I just got Daueraufenthalt EG in Bonn. It costs 10 Euro and under AMMERKUNGEN field is written also : "$9 AufenthG (Daueraufenthaltsrecht EG)"

Can I have your email address as I want to discuss regarding the fees. I was charged 85euro for same.


Thanks to both of you...


Anybody else in this situation?

Officers discussed it with looking to some documents and decided to charge me 85€ and I paid it of course. It is worth the freedom of leaving germany for 12 months and work anywhere else in EU except DK&UK and come back again without issues.

@pwehrli

Thanks a lot for reply.

It is little bit surprising that they charge same fee (85euro)also for up gradation from NE to NE-EG.

How come some people like mihais were charged 10 Euro?

Normally fee should be same Bundesweit isnt it?

what Bundesweit ? Please do not make me laugh here. Let me tell you a story. I got a BE from Wiesbaden in my previous passport and then moved to Frankfurt and got a new passport, guess what, the sticker needs to be transferred to the new one. Frankfurt ABH said it is not OK to transfer the same thing given by Wiesbaden to my new passport but it needs to be confirmed by the Frankfurt ABH manager. Wiesbaden is the capital city of state Hessen, and Frankfurt is another city in the same state. So 2 cities are having problems to understand their behaviour in practicing same things. You are talking about everything should be same Bundesweit etc.

@ goodfaith

If you see my post above, I am also waiting for BONN to give me the daueraufenthalt-EG but they keep tell ing me the new stickers have not come yet! I call them once a week - last I called them was 2nd of October (Tuesday). Can you please tell me the name of the beamter (email krystaltech@yahoo.com if you prefer) who gave you this and on which day? This will really be very helpful and I would be grateful.
Thank you.

@buntyji

I didn`t get it from Bonn but mihais got it by paying 10 Euro fees from Bonn that is what he mentioned in earlier post.

Thanks.

Thank you goodfaith.

mihais can you please tell me on which date you got your Daueraufenthalt-EG from BONN ? Thanks a million in advance.

Hi Guys,

I am from South Germany had have got NE. I have applied for the Daueraufenthalt through my Lawyer. Today he has asked me to write a declaration for the ABH as follows..Ich, ....................versichere, keine dem Abschnitt 5 des
Aufenthaltsgesetzes vergleichbare Rechtsstellung in einem anderen Mitgliedstaat der
Europäischen Union innezuhaben, in keinem Mitgliedstaat der Europäischen Union
einen Antrag auf Zuerkennung der Flüchtlingseigenschaft oder auf Gewährung
subsidiären Schutzes im Rahmen der Richtlinie 2004/83/EG des Rates vom 29. April
2004 über Mindestnormen für die Anerkennung und den Status von
Drittstaatsangehörigen oder Staatenlosen als Flüchtlinge oder als Personen, die
anderweitig internationalen Schutz benötigen, und über den Inhalt des zu gewährenden
Schutzes (ABl. EU Nr. L 304 S. 12) gestellt oder vorübergehenden Schutz im Sinne des §
24 beantragt zu haben und über dessen Antrag noch nicht abschließend entschieden
worden ist, sowie in keinem anderen Mitgliedstaat der Europäischen Union eine
Rechtsstellung zu besitzen, die der in § 1 Abs. 2 Nr. 2 AufenthG beschriebenen
entspricht (vgl. § 9a Abs. 3 Nr. 1-3 AufenthG).

Question : Does one have to give an undertaking like this? Is this as per the new law??

I got Daueraufenthalt-EG last week.

The process was straight forward. It took 3 weeks for processing. The following was submitted:

1. House contract
2. 3 months salary slips
3. Employer letter
4. 60 months pension confirmation
5. one pass photo
6. 85 Euros Fee

I got the same with

- house contract
- 3 payslips

and that's it. No pension etc. stuff.

Hi pwehrli

How many years you resided in germany. or you came as student and then started to work. Can you explain me in detail

no student time, I only work here.
after 5 years exactly.

I am not sure, if many of the members here are aware of this info. I came to know from our ABH, that for NE the half of the student time(years) are considered for getting NE. For E.g 2 years of study and 4 years of rente.

Yes. It is true.
I got the NE with half my student time and fulltime employment time and they calculated that from the visa timestamps though I paid rente before I officially got the stampings in my passport.

Hi,

Is this valid rule or law in all states or only in some particular states.

Please point to the exact law and number.

@Rajender

In which state did you get NE on student+job basis?

Thanks,

Sreekar

Its definitely a law and check the NE laws, you will find it.

I told the officer that I was a student before and he exempted me from german language, integration kurs, and calculated the student time as half. And all this considered only after I showed my degree certificate. I applied in Munich.